Status report

This is only interesting for you if you haven´t got them before.

 

      3.The status report of November 21st 1999:

Deaths:

Unfortunately, also this year there are several losses to be mourned over:
- In June Louis –Albert Sèeberger died in Paris (born 1914). He originated from the family of the 3
  known brothers and photographers and he continued the work of these. I was not able to send him
  the latest research results about his ancestors from Lachen / Bavaria in time.
- Ruth Seeberger, wife of Robert in Pittsburgh /PA, died in August at the age of 59. Not quite 4 weeks
  previous, she was very happy to become a grandmother.
– In September, Harold Seeberger died in Tiffin / OH, after severe illness.
Of course life and death often lie close together. All the same, it is very sad when one knows a bit more about these people, or even hat contact with them.

Homepage:

It is installed and I was able to make first experiences. From the USA I became notice, that not all coats of arms are shown, but this could not be confirmed as a general problem. So please always let me know if anything is not your liking. I have also finished the concept and will expose it to criticism.

Archive:

Here there are several new items to be mentioned. I was able to purchase several books of Seebergers from antique shops. The contacts went as far as Sydney / Australia, where there was a book about the French Seeberger brothers.
From Dr. Hans-Werner Seeberger from Berlin I received a copy of the book The Seeberger which was written round about 1900, about the descendents of Mathes in the Fichtelgebirge (Bavaria at the Czech border). I was also able to copy the original (handwritten), which is full of treasures!
Also from the USA there were many photos from the time of the change of century.
But also from Paul Davis from Palm Springs /CA, over 400 pages about the Seberger family from the Saar region. The interpretation alone of this book took weeks.
Swiss Seeberger: In this case I had to engage a researcher from Lupfig, who found out the dates of the church records from Lupfig, which were lost in Birr, in the Aarau Canton Archive. But there are problems to integrate these, as several links are still missing.

Seeberger from Bohemia / Fichtelgebirge:

In order to evaluate the results of my journey in the Spring, I have to invest a lot more time than I first thought. Sorry, but it will take a bit longer.It was not yet able to install the whole area south of Bamberg into the computer. The reason is, that I started with the most difficult part, that is, the connection of the socalled Stiftsland (Waldsassen – Tirschenreuth) to Eger / Bohemia. It took weeks before I was able to decipher the writing of 5 documents. Almost daily I studied the old documents from 1475-1630, from the town-archive of Eger (Cheb). They dealt with last wills and a contract of purchase. Well, I was able to close the line of Mathes (died 1602 in Grossklenau) back to an Ulrich (nomen est omen?) in Eger, who wrote a last will in 1475.
Of this I am very proud. But it is much more difficult where the other finds are concerned. There were alone 4 Hans in 1560, which are not yet possible to integrate. But we are not giving up!
From the line of Mathes originate, among others, two wellknown painters. From one of them, a Gustav Seeberger, after whom a street in Munich is named, I was able to purchase an engraving from 1846. The other one, a Carl, originates from the vicarage family and died 1978 in Darmstadt, at the age of 92. From him I received numerous letters and articles from readers, which show that he was not an easy case of normal standards, but a human being with many faults, who was always very outspoken. I am trying to get more information about him and his works.

New families:

At the moment I am investigating several new informations. One family turns up before 1900 in Danzig / Westprussia and emigrated to the USA. A larger family lived round about Hannover as from 1800. Hameln, Eimsen and Dassel are only a few areas. From here there was also a family which emigrated to the USA.
Actually the emigrants to America are a special subject, but they also involve a lot of work. There is a yet to end in sight.
So much to the report over the last activities.


           2.       Status report dated June 1999:

Once again I am giving you a report about what happened during the last weeks. I have gathered new knowledge and considerations.
I intend to make public the results of my researches over the Internet. An URL has been installed (http://www.seeberger-online.de) and now the work can begin. First, an overlook of the different families and their history will be taken up. Only then I can decide, how detailed these dates will be gone into. Of course we have to consider the data-protection for dates as from 1900. During about September, it might be worthwhile to look into that.
The family-archive is also making progress. In the meantime I have received some great pictures. More details also through the Internet.
After a research-trip of over 4 weeks, I am able to report some interesting aspects. But it will take at least 3 months, until I have sorted out all these dates and have put them into the computer.
First stop was the Diocese archive in Rottenburg. There I found several generations of Seeberger round about Saulgau, but as they did not have any sons, they were not able to expand.
Then I continued to the Lake Constance, where I could make several photos of the villages, especially around Radolfzell, where there are still living Seebergers. I also found a few graveyards and memorial stones with the name Seeberger on them.
In the State archive of Vorarlberg/Austria in Bregenz I found and copied 2 documents from 1510 and 1517, in which a Christian Seeberger and his wife Gretha in Buers were mentioned. There were also a few nice stories from Bezau which I can use for my book.
A meeting with our friend and researcher Hans Thoeni in Ludesch/Austria resulted in several informations about emigrants to Lorraine and the Saar-region.
The State archive of Tyrol in Innsbruck/Austria was the next station. There I researched the area around Zams and found more than 100 Seeberger in the church records of Schoenwies, which I have to integrate in the Tyrol-dates.
On the way to Bamberg we met Harald Seeberger in Wuerzburg who takes care of the Marktredwitz-family.
Bamberg, as the next station, offered the opportunity to research the whole area around Grossenseebach and Herzogenaurach. Of course we took our lunch in the St. Hubertus Inn in Herzogenaurach-Beutelsdorf, owned by Georg Seeberger! I guess there are more than 250 new Seebergers, with which I can close several gaps. A meeting with Hermann Duemig, who searched during this time in the town archive, also brought some new dates there.
Very exciting was the research in the State archive of Bavaria in Amberg, which was only a beginning. I have systematically gone into several so-called man-books (all male persons in a region who were able to fight) and the registers for so-called Turk-taxes (tax for forces against the Turks) from 1560 until about 1620 from the area of Waldsassen and Tirschenreuth at the Bohemian/Bavarian border and I now have to compare 13 Seeberger which occurred in 1560 with the other results and try to fit them in.
Of course we also studied the wonderful area and made photos from all these places.
After that, the journey went to the archive in Regensburg, where I researched 3 days. Here I studied almost every relevant church record from the Waldsassen area and also found more than 100 further Seeberger. I think it is now possible to create quite a clear picture about what happened round about 1600. If one make drawings in a map and read a lot about the history of these times, a lot of things become clear and logical. That is what I am doing. During the course of the centuries, the churches often belonged to different counties and this has to be found out. Unfortunately there are often gaps in the books, e.g. in 1600-1625 in Wondreb, where there are many entrances. That makes things especially difficult.
On the whole, it was a very successful research-journey and also a pleasant holiday. So, for example in our Castle Seeberg near Cheb (former Eger) in Bohemia, which has in the meantime been very well renovated. We lived 100 yards down the road, in the hotel Seeberg. The costs were stunning, so low as they were. I can very much recommend a holiday in Upper-Franconia and Bohemia. Alone the monastery Waldsassen is overwhelming.
Also of interest are new knowledges of about 22 Séeberger in France. Most of them originate from the 3 famous brothers, already mentioned. One son, Louis-Albert, wrote me together with his daughter Michéle in April and sent many dates. He died on June 3rd, the birthday of my wife and was buried on June 8th near Paris. Sometimes this hobby is also very sad. I was not able to inform him about what I found out about his g-grandfather- that he was born in Lachen/Bavaria and that he originated another 4 generations ago from a Franz *1705. This family is probably originated from Tyrol. That means that this family is also related to the Seeberger from Benningen. A further Seeberger in France come from Switzerland (Malters/Luzern), a third from Cologne over Strasbourg, and then there is an American whose mother comes from the Banat-family.
During the search for the different Heinrich from Birr/Lupfig (Aargau/Switzerland) which probably emigrated to the US, I came across Kankakee/Illinois with the help of Paul Davis from Palm Springs /CA. There I actually found a Henry Seibergen from Switzerland, whose age was also correct, in the census records of 1860. That means, another mosaic piece!
So thats the most important news. Who also has some news which he wanted to send me? Now is the right time!

 

       1. Overlook                                   October 99

It becomes more and more difficult to give a short overlook about more than 9500 members of the different Seeberger families.
To start with a prejudice: the name Seeberger doesnt mean, that all these persons are relatives. At least 3, probably 4 or more different origins with no connection are known. Nevertheless I am researching all families and hope that more and more Seeberger will join this program.
First let me introduce myself: I am 60 years old, married and have 2 children. After school I went to the German Army, studied engineering and worked for 33 years. When I got an early retirement as Lt. Col. I took this chance and since 1992 I invest most of my time in genealogy, computer, photography and travelling around the world. In my case I found a good way to combine these hobbies.
 

    1.Seeberger in Austria:
    The name Seeberger has its origin from the very small village of Seeberg in the Big Walser Valley in Vorarlberg/Austria. The Walser came from the Wallis in Switzerland at around 1400 to this area and the people who left the valley seem to be called Seeberger (people from Seeberg). We have a lot of similarities in this and other areas. Even if the church records start at about 1600 and later the first Seeberger appear as followed:
    - Christian born (*) about 1485 in Buers/Vorarlberg. This family can be traced to 1620.
    – Hans * abt 1520 in (St. Jacob/ Tyrol)? This family (who I belong to) is one of the two largest and members are still living in Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Some moved to the USA but could not be found yet.
    – Hans * abt 1525 in Dalaas/ Vorarlberg, probably the one who moved to St. Jacob.
    – Johannes * abt. 1520 in Bezau /Vorarlberg. Present here till 1620.
    – Enderle * abt 1580 in Bludenz/ Vorarlberg. This family is still present in Vorarlberg.
    – Seeberger in Zams/ Tyrol at abt. 1600 probably from the St. Jacob family moved to the Palatines and still live there.
    – 1562 the brothers Wolf and Domian Seeberger received a coat of arms from the emperor Rudolf II in Prague and later in Vienna. After that they were called Seeberger de Edlach
     

    2.Seeberger in Germany:
    - as mentioned before, Bartholomaeus (father Georg from Zams) emigrated to the Palatines.
    - Christian and his brother Franz left St. Jacob after the 30 Years War. Christian moved to Bobstadt/ Baden and had many descendents like me. Same did Franz who stopped near Memmingen/ Bavaria. His descendents are spread over Bavaria and Wuerttemberg north of the Alps to the Lake Constanze.
    – in Boxberg near Bobstadt appeared a Gallus Seeberger in the same time frame. The name sounds Swiss, but I guess that he might be a relative of the above who was born in 1620 (before the records in St. Jacob started). Many descendants till today.
    – about 1660 a Bartholomaeus appears in Mosbach/ Baden. Maybe a relative of the same family.
    – near Wangen/ Bavaria a Peter (* abt. 1620) came from Dalaas/ Vorarlberg. Many descendents in this area.
    – Seeberger in the Saar area. After 1700 a family lives there with connection to the US.
    – quite new are some families around 1800 in the area of the former Kingdom of Hannover. I  just started my research on them.
    – a lot of small families have been found additionally in other areas. Some from the upper Rhine valley seem to come from Switzerland.
     

    3.Seeberger from Bohemia:
    The name comes from the village and castle of Seeberg near Cheb (former Eger) in Bohemia. First appearance is about 1400 in Eger and in Nuremberg. Because of religious reasons some left westwards (1500-1640) over the Bavarian border in the area of Muenchenreuth-Waldsassen-Tirschenreuth. Some families still live there, others moved farer westwards in the Bamberg area (Grossenseebach). A lot of them still live in this area, two families emigrated to the US.
     

    4.Seeberger from East Prussia:
    The name changed between 1600 and 1700 from Seberg over Seeberg and Seebergk to Seeberger. About 250 descendants are known. They lived in the areas of Heilsberg and Braunsberg.
     

    5.Seeberger in Switzerland:
    The origin of the name Seeberger came from the village and castle Seeberg in the Kanton (state of) Bern.
    – the priest Jakob von Seberch was named 1290 in Zofingen/ Aargau.
    – Hug von Wangen lived in Zofingen at abt. 1382 and later in Wangen-Aare. In this town I found Seeberger between 1600 and 1800. They emigrated to the US.
    – Ursus was mentioned after 1520 in the area of Malters/ Kanton Luzern. 443 descendants are known. This family still lives there. Members moved to Germany and Australia.
    – Rudi Seeberger and his wife Verena probably came from Seeberg too (as mentioned in one document). They lived in the area of Birr and Lupfig /Aargau. More then 450 descendants are known, one family emigrated to Texas at abt. 1850.
     

    6.Seeberger in France:
    The famous French Photographers (the three brothers) Seéberger worked about 1900. Their father came from the area of Memmingen/ Bavaria. Later they worked in the fashion area and had a lot of exhibits.
     

    7.Seeberger in the US and Canada:
    - one large family in Pennsylvania came from Grossenseebach near Bamberg (Bohemian family)
    – another family in Kansas and North Dakota comes from the same family. In between they went to the Banat (about 1750) and after 5 generations over Canada to the US.
    – the descendants of Heinrich who immigrated to Texas (and still living there)from Lupfig/ Aargau.
    – Max from Baden (no town known and still searching for), * 1844 immigrated with his wife from Vorarlberg/ Austria.
    – Johann Seeberger from the Saar/ Germany immigrated about 1850 to Idaho. The family then moved to Illinois. On the long way to the US they lost one e and call themselves Seberger. This family is quite new for me and we have to do a lot of research.
    – more than 30 other families are known as emigrants from Austria, Switzerland and Germany to the US and Canada. Presently more than 200 families are known to live in the US. Everyone is welcome who helps to put together all the mosaic pieces.
     

    8.Name variations like Seeburger:
    Its not verified, whether variations like Seeburger, Seaburger, Schneeberger are related to the Seeberger families. Seeburger are found after 1600 in Michelfeld near Heilbronn/ Germany and emigrated over Nova Scotia to the US.
     

    9.Seeberger books:
    there are some books about the different Seeberger families. If you know of one whether in English or German, please inform me.
     

There are a lot of interesting stories behind the Seeberger. As the one who invented the escaltor at OTIS company, famous artists, some priests, mayors in different towns like Hof and Marktredwitz / Bavaria or Ernst Seeberger presently in Lupfig/ Aargau. Several streets named Seeberger Str. in Bremen, Munich, Marktredwitz. We drink our own Seeberger-coffee from Ulm/ Bavaria and I could tell for hours stories around the different families.
Some months ago we decided that it would be a good idea to invent a Seeberger archive to collect all informations and documents about all Seeberger families in the world and preserve them.
I already started to build this up and after my time all documents will go to a special large archive for Genealogy. What we would collect there, are not only the datas about all the families. We try to collect old documents, photos and stories about the members and how they lived. Especially the stories about the different families and their individual members are sometimes much more interesting than the bare datas. They show so much about the circumstances and the social background why people had to leave there hometown or country. E.g. the story of the Seeberger family from the Banat was really touching to me and I would like to get as many of these stories as possible to give these informations to other Seeberger. Therefore I plan to present parts of this on an own homepage of the archive. 
For this its important to know, that there is no need to get the original documents, even if this would be the best way to save them for future generations. It would help, if we could get good copies. If you have the possibilities to scan photos, please ask me for some details about best standards to use.
Dont think, that you cant help. Sometimes the smallest mosaic piece is the most important. So, please ask me, if you are not sure.
If you know someone who already has a family tree, please ask him and inform me, so that I can get in touch with him.
Let me state it quite clearly: This is a strictly non commercial initiative and has nothing to do with some obscure publishers of so called family books or heritage books. Dont buy these advertised books, they are (more or less) trash!
Sorry, if my English is not too perfect, but it is not my native language. If you might have any question, please feel free to ask and if I forget to reply, please remind me. I try to work on all the different things but sometimes the family has the right to see the father. And this overlook is very compressed, but more is sometimes not better.


I count on your cooperation!